GENERAL MARTIN E. DEMPSEY, named one of TIME magazine’s most influential people, retired in October 2015 after 41 years of military service. He now teaches leadership and public policy as a Rubenstein Fellow at Duke University and serves as Chairman of USA Basketball. General Dempsey is co-author of the bestselling leadership book Radical Inclusion: What the Post-9/11 World Should Have Taught Us About Leadership and author of the upcoming book: No Time For Spectators: The Lessons That Mattered Most From West Point To The West Wing.
General Dempsey and I had this conversation in March of 2020. Some of the key takeaways…
- Those who sustain excellence: They are humble and ambitious… And they have a thirst for learning. A “passionate curiosity.”
- “It’s hard to get to the top. It’s even harder to stay there…”
- The best kind of mentor:
- Informal relationships.
- “Know that proteges are watching and listening all the time.”
- “Disagreement is not disloyalty.”
- The differences between Marty as a leader in 2011 vs. 2015:
- “I came to realize how much I didn’t know.”
- You work to influence outcomes, not try to direct them.
- “Through influence not through authority or power.”
- How to make big decisions:
- Scrutiny can be paralyzing…
- Nuclear deal with Iran:
- General Dempsey found himself in disagreement with President Obama. “Not just the what, but the why.”
- Must have confidence that you can speak truth to power.
- Believe in action over admiration
- Rule for meetings: “We are making the decision in THIS meeting.”
- “We are getting a recommendation for the President in THIS meeting.”
- Reverse engineer meetings to get things done.
- Commitment vs. Compliance:
- How to de-centralize the Army
- Be inclusive: You will learn more. You’ll get people to take ownership. Share the burden.
- Community:
- Be prepared for when crisis arrives. Build relationships prior to it happening.
- Sweat the small stuff:
- Fundamentals are vital.
- Always strive to know WHY something works the way it does… As a tank commander, need to know everything about it.
- “Knowing the fundamentals allows you to have influence.”
- Be responsibly rebellious
- Innovation begins with a little rebelliousness
- Read: Once An Eagle
- The “best leaders bring out the best in those around them.”
- Young leaders who are wishing away their lives are making a big mistake, “I can’t wait to be a CEO.” That is not wise.
- “Bloom where you’re planted.”
- Advice on a long successful marriage:
- “Life is what happens when you’re making other plans.”
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Every bullet echoed, borne out by my own personal leadership journey…