Suzy Welch is known for co-founding the Jack Welch Management Institute and writing bestsellers like 10-10-10: A Life Transforming Idea. Her career includes roles as an editor-in-chief for Harvard Business Review, a crime reporter, and a professor. She teaches at NYU and is the best-selling author of Becoming You. 

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Key Learnings

Purpose Requires Realism, Not Just Passion – Everyone wants to be the drummer in Disturbed, but that guy’s good at drumming. My whole methodology is about realism. You have to know what your values are, what your interests are, but you better be good at it or forget it. Otherwise, it’s a hobby.

Values Are Choices, Not Virtues – Most people confuse values and virtues. Virtues are things like integrity, courage, and thankfulness… Behaviors we all should have more of. Values are choices about how you want to live, work, and relate. It’s a value if it would drive who you married, what job you took, and where you went on vacation.

There are 16 Measurable Values – Values exist on a continuum like a DNA profile. Scope reflects how exciting a life you want. Radius is how much you want to change the world systemically. Belovedness is how important an intimate relationship is to you. Work centrism is whether you love work for work’s sake or if it’s just a means to an end.

Men Over 32 Value Romantic Relationships Most – We just got data showing that for men over the age of 32, belovedness is their number one value. It’s much lower for women. Only 50% of people have family centrism in their top five values—we assume everyone shares our values, but they don’t.

Your Authenticity Gap Reveals Your Pain – You could hold the value of scope as number one, but not be able to live it right now because of your job or family situation. That gap between what you value and what you’re living—we call that your authenticity gap. If you’ve got a big one, you know it because it hurts.

Gen Z’s Top Value Is Self-Care – 75% of Gen Z have self-care, wellbeing, pleasure, and leisure as their top value. Their top three are self-care, authentic self-expression, and helping others. Meanwhile, hiring managers want achievement, scope, and work centrism. The overlap is 2%.

Aptitudes Are Your Brain’s Dominant Hand – We have nine cognitive aptitudes preset by age 15. Are you a generalist or a specialist? A future focuser or a present focuser? A brainstormer or someone who comes up with one fully baked idea per year? It’s painful to be a generalist in a specialist job.

Your Personality Is How The World Experiences You – Your personality is not the list of adjectives you write about yourself. It’s how the world experiences you. When I did my 360 feedback, people said I was the hurricane, not the calm at the center. I had to learn to communicate better the thoughts I had, and learn to be less chaotic. 

Everyone Writes Themselves As The Hero – A police lieutenant once told me: everyone writes the story of their life with themselves at the center as the hero. No matter what story we tell ourselves, we always cast ourselves as the hero. That’s why self-awareness is so hard and why we need testing, not just self-reflection.

The Aperture Problem: Kids Only Know Five Jobs – When kids come out of high school, they only know about five jobs, two of which are their parents. By college it goes up to seven. By grad school, MBAs are thinking about two or three options—banking, consulting, or tech. There are 135 industries and thousands of types of work nobody tells them about.

Great Leaders Don’t Do It For The Money – I’ve been blessed to know many of the greatest leaders. They’re doing it for love of people, excitement, work, or impact. I’ve never met a great leader who was doing it for the money. Jensen Huang and Jeff Bezos are examples—clarity, vision, excellence in everything, no shortcuts.

Better To Be The Author Than The Editor – When you’re ambitious, you end up surrounded by voices and can become the editor of your life. You have to become the author. Paint a self-portrait of yourself standing still so that when you start running, you know where you’re going and why.

Reflection Questions

  • What would the 5 people closest to you say about how you show up? Would their description match how you see yourself, or do you have a self-awareness gap you haven’t addressed?
  • If you mapped your actual daily behaviors against your stated top values, would they align? Or are you living someone else’s version of success while calling it your own?
  • Are you the author of your life or the editor? Whose voices are loudest in your head when making big decisions, and have you given yourself permission to write your own story?

Former Episodes Referenced

#127: Adam Grant – How Originals Impact the World

#441: Liz Wiseman – How to Build Credibility, Solve Problems, & Multiply Your Impact

#350 – Tom Rath – Answering Life’s Great Question

Episode Timestamps:

02:22 The Drummer in Disturbed: Finding Your Purpose

05:17 Suzy’s Personal Journey

12:54 The Becoming You Framework

13:25 Values Excavation: Understanding Your Core Beliefs

28:38 Hiring Managers’ Top Values

29:55 Understanding Cognitive Aptitudes

31:14 The Role of Personality in Career Success

31:48 Self-Awareness and 360 Feedback

33:06 Personal Reflections on Aptitudes and Personality

35:46 The Importance of Truth Tellers

42:58 Navigating Career Choices and Economic Viability

48:44 Leadership Excellence and Personal Values

54:47 EOPC